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July 28, 2023
John Rizvi, Esq.

Inventor Babak Forutanpour Shares His Journey to Becoming an Inventor & Having Over 100 Patents

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00:00

Welcome, everybody. You're here for another episode of Ask the patent professor, except today, you get an opportunity to ask the inventor. And it's my pleasure to introduce Bob Beck falutin poor. He's an amazing inventor. He's got over 100 patents. He's been on NBC Today Show, Fox Morning News. And his life was not complete until he's on the patent Professor television. Now he's here. It's a huge, huge privilege of me to have you here. And we're going to go for probably about 20 minutes, and I have some questions. And I know, a lot of our viewers are interested in your background and how you got to where you are. And then we'll open up the floor for for questions. We have several questions that have been submitted already. So I do have those. But why don't you start with wherever you'd like, start with a little bit about your background, how does one go from our backgrounds are very similar from in that we were in a corporate environment, I was at a huge, you know, multinational law firm until I started my own practice. And you were at Qualcomm. So take it away.

01:12
For you. I mean, I wish that I could tell you that, you know, at a young age, I was, you know, my dad, and I would go to the junkyard and we bring home, you know, motors or, you know, things and take them apart and learn how they work and put them back together or that I you know, that I was inventing when I was a young kid. And really, you know, that's not the case. You know, I didn't really start you know, think as a young kid, maybe I was more a little bit into business. So I had a carwash I would paint fences, I would, I did magic shows. So I think for me, my innate tendencies are more as an entrepreneur. And so and then, you know, once college started and you know, did say that UCSD and then eventually UCLA, and then started working for 10 years in Hollywood, doing special effects for movies, a lot of that kind of subsided. So I was neither inventing, nor was I following my entrepreneurial passions, because the companies that I worked at, you know, I was just having so much fun. So having worked on, you know, kind of dating myself, but there was, in 1995, after college, I joined Warner Brothers, where we worked on a movie called Space Jam with Michael Jordan and Bugs Bunny. And so that really, I got hit by the computer graphics 2d 3d bug. And so I spent five to eight years doing, you know, special effects and movies. And to your point, it wasn't really until I went to Qualcomm, where I was exposed to, you know, doing research in the lab and the company wanting to protect their IP. And so it wasn't until literally like 15 years ago, that, you know, I realized that I have this creative side, this creative problem solving side where I kind of look at things maybe a little bit different than others. And so one example would be, you know, I worked in the multimedia department. Again, Qualcomm is a company that makes chips for cell phones, it's, it's probably in the phone that you have today. And I worked in the camera department, so making sure that the cameras can take better pictures. That's exactly we're in the iPhone. Yep, yep. And, you know, I was in the camera department. And, you know, we work with the PhDs that would spend all this time creating an algorithm whereby when you want to take a picture, you know, with your phone, it has to figure out what light source it's under. And in order to do that, it has to look at pixels that are near gray in the image and figure out are they a little bluish or yellowish Gray, to kind of figure out are you under incandescent, fluorescent, or the sun. And after a while of, you know, working with the PhDs on this, I'm like, Guys, I'm helped me understand something here. We're not just working on a camera, we're working on a phone, which has all these extra sensors. It has a microphone, it has a speaker, it has GPS, it has a clock. So at 2am, obviously, the sun has set if the GPS tells you, whatever you're in San Diego or somewhere else. And so we know the sun, it can't be the 65, which is for the sun, it has to be a manmade light. So you can kind of improve the process by assuming that it can't be all light sources, it can only limited light sources, or the fact that we can listen for the lights. And so that's really when my inventive spirit was really kind of kicked off when I realized that you can solve these complex technical problems that others have been doing for years in creative ways. And when I got my first patent on a camera, that can take better pictures, using not the the sensor itself, the Seamaster, CCD sensor, but the microphone, the speaker, the clock, the GPS. That's when I was and then I worked with patent attorneys to protect that and do the drawings and the claim said that I kind of got bitten by the bug that I'm like, wow, this is really interesting. I just I may have been myself on my team. First people in the world that have ever created a camera that takes a better picture using these other sensors. And that was that was thrilling. And honestly, after that first one was a lot of work and 11 years of research, that's it led to two and five and 10, and 15, and 20. And I just got hit by the book, I love working with patent agents such as yourself, too, because they really become part of the team, right? Where you just don't hand over your research. They oftentimes, especially the ones that Qualcomm will sometimes help you improve it, they ask probing questions, did you think about this? Did you think about it coming from that angle? Because they wanted what's the term they used? Think was a walled garden, they wanted to build a garden of IP around this one breakthrough. So working with the agents, doing the research, in a team environment is really what made the 100 patents seem like it just it made it fly by. So all that to say, it's not something that I started out doing. It's something that was really inspired during my research at Qualcomm. And you take that with my entrepreneurial spirit, and then you kind of have, you know, the path I've been going forward the last five, six years.

06:18
Well, the I mean, what caught my attention is, of course, you're me, I've done a TED talk on the power of simple ideas and simple everyday innovations that some people do not even think warranted a patent. Because there's this myth out there that you've got to have like a flux capacitor, if you remember back to the future, where you go and see a patent attorney. And although some of your ideas they seem, you know, this the cell phone, better pictures might seem very complicated. But I'd love if you have any of your prototypes. If you talk about some of the toy and game type ideas that in hindsight, that's what examiner's patent examiner's are not allowed to reject a patent on something called hindsight reconstruction. And that's a technical fancy term. And what it basically means is that, if today, it looks like the idea is not new or novel, that doesn't mean that it wasn't new or novel at the time, the vendor came up with it, because once it's explained, it seems like like going back to the cell phone, you would think today, of course, cell phones take pictures like you couldn't buy, I couldn't get my kids and I don't know the ages of yours. But if they were old enough for a cell phone, you could not get them to use a cell phone that didn't have take pictures. But at one time, this was extremely novel, it was unique, the concept that some device that for make for communicating, or you know, an audio will also take and share pictures. Yeah, go to tell us about that. And if you want to share your prototypes that we're sure Yeah,

07:55
yeah, I just want to touch on what you said. It's like, right now we can talk about camera that takes better pictures using a microphone because it listens for the lights. And maybe now it's obvious that it's an integrated system. So obviously, you know, there's synergy when when all the different parts work together, but 15 years ago, you know, it was like, superduper cool that, whoa, these guys built a camera that's better than the one next to it, because it uses the other sensors. So, right. And then as far as you know, other things that, you know, maybe kind of maybe make sense now or stuff that I've kind of worked on is, you know that to me, again, this is just my mindset, you know, kind of seeing, you know, kind of, I wouldn't again, I wouldn't say obvious, but something I think the market needs is, you know, one of my latest inventions and this one, I've also filed a patent on And surprisingly, he got approved in like two and a half years. I figured, you know, it would take longer, but the response came back quickly. I'm like, This is what I call it. If you can kind of see it. It takes a while for the lighting to Oh, yeah. Yeah. So this is basically I call it the baker buddy. And it's basically something that has and the patent covers, having a device that has a crescent shaped insert that you can then place over a mixing bowl. And so this allows people to bake inside their home by having everything they need in one area. And so first thing you'll notice that it has a trashcan back here so when you put this over your mixing bowl and you crack an egg, just drop it right here. It has two areas here where you can hold your mixing spoon, it has a recipe card holder, over here, it has an egg cracker, and the cool thing is when you crack the egg, it spills right into the bowl. Right and that's really where this thing started. The whole purpose of this was my wife simply asking by that, you know, I want to crack an egg over the bowl without having any of the drip outside the bowl or on the countertop. And so I'm like I could I could make something hang on a bowl that has the egg cracker, but then I I added everything else. And I think what the really cool part too is I have these measuring cups you can see from half a teaspoon, full teaspoon, also for tablespoon, and then a cup here. And so when you want to measure something like vanilla extract or a cup of flour, you pour it in here, and then it simply tilts into the bowl. Right? So with oh,

10:20
I just see a comment they Michelle loves the tilt and loves the idea. I didn't, that so you have it's handed to them, right? Is it a plastic.

10:29
So there's a hinge at the bottom that allows you that allows this part to do the other part that's novel, which we have a claim on, which I think is super exciting is the fact that as you can see, there's these holes that I inserted. And again, this stuff is all obvious now. But I could show you the 52 prototypes that it took to get to this place. I start with cardboard and clay. But as you can see, there's these holes here that allow it. So if you overpay for it doesn't matter. So if you overpay for the cup, or your again, vanilla extract, it goes through the hole into the second reservoir. Again, it's kind of oh, well, yeah, that's, and so you can, you know, with children, I have a 14 year old twins. And you know, when she's kind of pouring the flowers, she may pour too much. And he just simply wipe it away, he goes into the hole. So you know, it's amazing if I was to show you and have a video that I could share, and actually it's on a website called the baker buddy.com Where I'm collecting emails prior to a Kickstarter campaign. On that website, you'll see the video of how with this one thing is just so much easier than having all the dirty spoons and egg shells and trash and then knives and mixed. It's it just simplifies

11:43
it. So I mean, I don't know if you've heard but during this pandemic, there's been this huge, huge surge of first of all gardening and baking. So those two things with everyone at home and, and certainly, I don't know about your household, but because if they use this prototype, it's probably not as messy but oh my god, the kitchen clean up after,

12:04
exactly, after. And that's the thing. I love baking with my daughter. But it's the cleanup, as you said, is the part that I that I'm done and was so cool. And you'll see it on our video is that when we're done mixing and pouring and baking it, I just simply take this to the kitchen sink, and the countertop is clean. I mean, it's really it's pretty cool. And yeah, that's that's, you know, one of the inventions, I also have other ones that I could show you as well. Real quick, I can show you this one, this one, we also found the patent. Also real quick before

12:37
you get to the website again for that first one.

12:41
Actually, I'll just give you one website, because from that one website, our viewers can go your viewers can go to all the different products. But yeah, the website is brilliant company. W dot brilliant company.com. Not brilliant, as in me and my team are brilliant, brilliant as in, we take everyday objects, and we polish them, we shine them, and we may come better.

13:02
Okay, great Jenny, and we have a panelist who's helping out here, if you can type that into our chat box, and that way the viewers would get that URL. Perfect. So let's now that we've got a sneak peek at the second one, I'm anxious to see it, I have no idea what it was, like it was blue is all I can remember.

13:20
So this is this is another one that I made. This one was for my son and my daughter as well. There's a pink one that I could bring over. But you know, essentially the problem. So the baker buddy solves the problem of the messy cleanups. The tooth diary solves the problem of the fact that, you know, when the Tooth Fairy comes and takes the child's teeth, you know, they can often displace it. Sometimes it's an, you know, the, you know, they can misplace that I'm gonna go into cancer. So essentially what the tooth diary is, is it's a doll for the child that they can remove. It's a toy, so it's in their room looks beautiful, they can play with it, and they take the cap off. And inside the cap is everything a child needs in order to manage your time with the with the tooth diary. And so if you were to remove a tube, so let me grab one here. Oh, hold on a second. I think it's second Here we go. So the tubes come out. And there's 20 to 20 tubes, one for each tooth, obviously, and they open up and inside the tube, you can place the child's tooth or the child places the tooth in the top compartment. And then in the doll there's also 20 notes where they can write a little note for the Tooth Fairy asking for what they want. There's also an included pencil and they close the tube which has the tooth at the top. They roll up the note using the pencil and they stick it to the bottom of the tube and this is what they put under their pillow. When all 20 teeth have been collected by By the tooth fairy, then the child uses the 21st note to ask for their teeth back. And when they wake up, they have all the 20 tubes under their pillow, they put it back in the doll. And now they can give it to their mom or dad as a tooth fairy keepsake. So it's a way for the Tooth Fairy to kind of organize her loot. We think it's a perfect like baby shower gift, the perfect present for someone with a newborn, something you'd find baby, you know, baby depot or Babies R Us.

15:32
Okay, well, well, that's, that's fascinating. I saw a couple of questions from Michelle had a question, is there a two part process to applying for a patent? And for our viewers like every next week, next Friday at noon, we're going to have asked the patent professor, so your your heavy patenting questions I would ask to hold for that, but certainly is an inventor with over 100 patents, I think back knows more than a thing or two about the patent process. So by two parts, they're most likely it's the provisional and non provisional. So talk to us about that. Tell us about what type you have filed for these. And let's go from there. Yeah, so

16:12
exactly sounds like your user, your your viewer is right on the mark, it is at least for me. And that doesn't have to be for every inventor a two part process. So when I have the germ of an idea, I will start prototyping it, it goes through several iterations of prototyping. And when it gets to a point where I feel, you know, and I've shown it to friends and families, we've done user studies, if you will. And when it's at a point where I'm starting to look like I'm really going to bring this to market, either through licensing or through bringing it to market myself, that's when I'll file the provisional. And I don't necessarily recommend all inventors do this. But again, since I've been through the process over 100 times, and I'm familiar with, you know how to roughly lay out a patent, then I'll just oftentimes maybe file those myself, just because again, I have the experience of going through it. And then once that year is up at that point, I have a much better idea, obviously, of whether this is something that has legs, and I'm going to continue to try to find a licensee or I'm going to bring to market and at that point, I will work with a professional patent attorney because as your viewers may know, the provisional doesn't have the claims, which is the most critical part. When you find the full blown utility and or design pattern, then you kind of need to flush it all out. So yeah, I'll do a provisional and then eventually a utility. Oftentimes, I'll do a design with the utility, because I've heard that when you sell products on Amazon and don't quote me, oftentimes, they're too busy to dig very, very deep into the utility. They'll do it if things escalate, but the design patent they will look at. And so if you also have a design patent on top of your utility, it's very easy for them to open it up, look at the diagram, look at the pictures and see that an infringer is selling something that's like identical to yours, without even needing to dig deep into the claim. So oftentimes do utility and design. So it's actually kind of a three step process.

18:08
Yeah, no, that's, that's good advice. And Jenny as our as our panel panelists here, in doing the work in the background, I believe the last week of May, we had asked the patent professor, and the focus was the different types of patents, utility design, and provisional nonprovisional. So all of this is posted in the inventors mastermind on Facebook. So Jenny, if you can put a URL to the inventors mastermind. I do. How's the did you happen to have the ARIA ball? Oh, yeah. Oh, that is like, unbelievable. I'd love I know, this interview would not be complete without see day.

18:47
Oh, sure. Yeah. Sorry about this one, again, the one that I made for the kids. You know, you know, which was basically we're at the park and I was throwing the football with my son. And he's like that I also want to play soccer. And I said, that's, you know, I didn't bring the soccer ball. He's like, Well, let's just kick the football. And I'm trying to explain to I think he was seven at the time, that you can't kick a football, it's the wrong shape. He's like, Well, I want to do it anyway. And I'm like, Fine, we'll try it, you're gonna see that it doesn't roll the way we want it to. And so we're kicking a football, he was upset. And I knew that on our way home, he's probably just going to unfortunately, go back on his iPad at the time. And so I really decided, you know, and maybe part of it is being lazy where I don't want to carry a bunch of equipment to the park, soccer, ball football, what have you, I want to have one thing. So again, this one was maybe, I don't know, 70 prototypes later. But I made this, what I call the ARIA ball, and I won't take it out of the packaging for the sake of time, but essentially, as you can see, it's a soccer ball that you twist open inside the soccer inside the soccer ball as a football and we kind of cheated we made the girth of the football kind of wide so even parents can throw it out. And then on top of that, there's a Frisbee in there as well, that's sandwiched in there. I should say flying disc, because frisbee is trademark, so we want to respect the window. It's right. And then I could go get the bat, but I won't, but it's on the website. And so I also designed a bat that comes with it because the bat, the tip turn opens up into a golf putter. Because what I didn't mention is inside the football, there's also another ball, which we call a base golf, which is a ball that has the stitching of a baseball but the dimples of a golf ball. And so you have soccer, football, flying this inside the football as a base golf ball. And then with the bat, you can play baseball and golf. And so you can have five different games. And what's really kind of cool, it was submitted for a TV show called the toy box some five years ago that was aired on NBC. And you know, out of, you know, 1000s of applicants, they willed it down to 35. They flew us out to New York, it was two days of taping, I was fortunate to become a finalist on the top floor. And then you know, I got booted the better tool. I wouldn't say better toy a very cool toy one. In fact, let me give a shout out to Yeah, perfect. Yeah, the toy that one of us inventors we stick together is art splash. So art Splash is really cool. It's my friend's invention. In fact, I think one of the box here and a small little part but anyways, yeah, so Ryan Stewart invented this where you can basically it's coloring with colored water. So anyways, shout out to Ryan art splash be arguable, but I'll get him next time.

21:45
Yeah. A lot of inventors. There's a lot of camaraderie amongst inventors. So I mean, it's great, you know, it's good sportsman ship on your part to have lost out to this, this other one and still, like it we have on our inventors mastermind, I think 1500 inventors, on our Facebook group, and they're constantly helping one another, providing advice, providing again,

22:12
we're a special breed John, you know, like, you know, to be able to be creative enough to, to seek a problem of, you know, a child kicking a football or messy countertops, and you're gonna give inventors major props, or almost like comedians, where they pick up on these on these signals that others don't see. But then when they find that, and they, they expand on it, and they share it with people, everyone's like, Oh, I have that problem too. Or that is funny to me as well. But inventors take it one step further with with the grind that is licensing and, and or manufacturing. So you got it's, that's why we stick together and we support each other so much is you got to have both skills. And both of them are, are challenging. It's not not necessarily something you can go to school and four year college, six year college and get an education, the creativity and the grit that it takes are. It's not something that everyone has. And it's something that while it can be taught, it comes more natural to those who you know, who are I don't know, maybe you can say, Yeah, well, I mean, it's

23:23
funny, you mentioned that sometimes like this is a post it note, I mean, so sells over a billion dollars a year in product. And it's basically paper with glue that doesn't damage ink. So I mean, you could write on a sheet of paper, it doesn't tear up the contract. Simple idea. But what I wanted to point out, sometimes the brilliance of an inventor is not necessarily even the solution, because you can go to could have gone to any college and asked an engineer to design this and they would have done it the brilliance is figuring out that there is a demand, and that there's people that are frustrated with using tape, and a piece of paper to leave notes, and that there's a need for this and what I am thinking about is you're not the first person to have been annoyed by cracking an egg on the side of a bowl and having some of the egg whites stream down the bowl. It's a it's one of these minor small irritations that but you what separates you is that you as an inventor, you did something about it and address that in your product. And I think that's what separates inventors that they're they're not willing to live with the status quo. Even the irritations that are minor I mean the sleeve on a coffee cup is to stop your fingers from getting too high, like you know, is one of the benefits. It's not a huge your fingers don't burn. I mean your coffee hopefully is isn't that hot, and people might have other ways to deal with it. You can use two cups but somebody They realize that you know what, that is a big enough problem that I might not be the only one addressing that. And his name is Paul Sorensen. And his licensing revenues were over a million dollars a year for 20 year. Simple. Yeah.

25:15
Yeah, Don, if I could, you know, you touch upon a point that I think is important if the if it's one thing I'd like to leave your viewers with today is the fact that, you know, practice finding these problems, whether you pursue them or not, that's like Step B, you could find someone else to, you know, give half your company to, or what have you to have them pursue it or, or other. But if, like you said, we've all seen these problems, and in order to, to become an inventor become a better inventor, you need to practice. And so I would challenge everyone today, before you go to bed at night, find three things in your daily routine that you think could be improved. And it could be as you said, something as simple as the Java jacket. It could be something as Oh, when I crack an egg a little bit dribbled out, it could be something of, you know, you know, why can't the AC know my body temperature and change the AC based on you know, my body temperature instead of a thermostat on the wall. So just practice those things. And I guarantee you a, it's a lot of fun, because it's kind of a gamification. And then be, you will be surprised that you may be one of those who's really frickin good at it. And if you're really good at it, it could be a great side income, or maybe even primary income. And I saw my friend, Caitlin, Islami, and in your chat room said, barback, you do this too, because you love inventing or to save your marriage. It's a little bit of both. Because it keeps me happy, healthy, and I'm a better husband, and it keeps me away from Polacks. So she doesn't scream and scream at me as much. So there's plenty of benefits from becoming an inventor beyond just, you know, maybe a payday or something. Yeah,

26:55
no, that's, that's terrific. I know, we're, we're out of time. But there were about it. Any questions that are not addressed that please go to the inventors mastermind. For our viewers, and I'll go on, I'll try to address as many as I can. Hopefully, we'll have a back, come back at some point. And we'll do this again. But there are a few questions relating to raising funds for the ideas and fundraising. And I know you've done a Kickstarter campaign. So talk to us a little bit about that, and then we'll close out the interview.

27:26
Yeah, no, it's wonderful. It's great question. So you know, it's take i Boy, I've made a lot of mistakes, you know, getting to where I am today. And I know, I'll make many, many more. One of them. This is, again, this is what's worked for what has and hasn't worked for me, your mileage may vary. But for some of my earlier inventions, I would do what they call a seed round, right? Friends and family. If everyone could kick in to grant, then I have enough money to go do user testing or 3d printed or what have you. And, you know, the first couple inventions that I had failed, and some of them weren't even inventions, there were businesses that I tried things that you wouldn't protect with a patent. And to this day, you know, I feel bad that I lost the money of some friends and family. Now I've since paid it back. But I guess what I'm trying to say is be very careful when you follow the traditional seed round angel round, and then series ABC. Because when you take money from friends and family, and if you lose the money, it's the guilt is gut wrenching. So to answer your viewers question, I no longer go to my brother or my others to find my inventions, because chances of success are slim. And so I you know, will work extra jobs, extra hours saved, cut back will do whatever I need to do to pay for it myself to get it to a point where as you said, I can then bring it on these amazing crowdfunding platforms, Indiegogo, Kickstarter, whereby when I have, you know, a 3d printed prototype that maybe cost me Well, I mean, this cost a while because of the design. But let's say under, you could, if you work efficiently, at you know, maybe you could make something like this front, or let's say 5000. And so when I get to a point where I have something I can take on Kickstarter, I will either take it on Kickstarter or or license it. There's a great company called lifetime brands where I'm going to take, you know, the baker, buddy to and right now we're in talks, they may want to pick up the license, they may not want to take it up. But there's companies that you can license your patents to, to get royalties, or you can sell it yourself with the funding coming from Kickstarter. But to answer your initial question, I personally because I've gone down the path that I've been burned. I don't raise money from friends and friends and family.

29:51
I think that's good advice. Of course, when you have over 100 plus patents, pretty soon your friends and family might tire of being When asked to, to invest. But I think the other reason of course, it's a risk, right? And why? Especially, you know, when I became a patent attorney 2025 years ago, there was no such thing as Kickstarter, like crowdfunding just did not hadn't evolved to the level it is now. I call this the golden age of inventing the options available to inventors are limitless, so why not take advantage of them. And you can get, you know, a lot more mileage through Kickstarter. And you're basically taking pre orders. So you're, you're building a customer base as well.

30:39
Yeah. And if I could, John, if I could give a shout out to or I shouldn't say shout out a plug to the Kickstarter that I'm working on, that's coming up in the next couple of months, it's for, you know, we talked about the baker buddy, which was kind of for my daughter, and the two Styria which is, you know, you know, for my son and daughter and REO ball, which was for my son, the one that I'm doing for myself that I did for myself, just purely because it was a pain point for me is one that I called tilted. And if you study folks who hold their mobile phones, especially the larger models, you'll kind of see a lot of them balancing on their pinky, right? A lot of people kind of hold their phone this way, those who choose Use one handed, right? A lot of people do two hands, but if you like to multitask, like, I don't eat or, you know, change the channel on the TV, and you will use your home, but one handed, you bounced on your pinky. And what I found was after a while, um, I think he was getting sore. I mean, I don't know, maybe I have gained two hands or what have you. But it was starting to hurt. That's a lot of weight. You know, the iPhone 11. Pro Max is twice the weight of the iPhone five, it's 200. And like 20, it's, I think it's 20 to 20 grams. So essentially, I decided to make something that would support the pinky, right? So if you kind of see here, this little thing will flick down, right there. Oh, wow, yeah, I can flick it up, or I can flick it down, you know, with a single finger. And it's basically, you know, a pillow, if you will for your pinky. So you just kind of rest your pinky there. And then you can, you know, use your phone, you can reach all the, you know, all the buttons, and then when you're done, you just kind of flick it close. What I like about it is that it's discreet, where on the back of my phone case, can you see it, you can, you can still support wireless charging. So some of the competitors out there, there's one pop plunge or something that you put it right back here, it doesn't allow wireless charging on some wireless chargers. Plus, I like to have these fun, you know, custom cases. And when you put those rains or the straps or the pop things on the back of your phone, you can't have the picture of let's say, your family or loved ones. So this is called tilted because you tilt your phone back for ultimate comfort. And I'm going to be doing a Kickstarter in the coming months. So I would really appreciate if folks kind of enjoyed this talk and they think tilted is something that would help them in their mobile phone use to go to the brilliant company.com.

33:03
Okay, good. So it's written about on the billion company on that website.

33:07
Exactly. They can just go there. Yep. Okay. Back at this.

33:11
It's been an incredible honor to have you here today. I'm sure the viewers have a ton of questions will hopefully have you back. And

33:21
thanks so much, John, because of the rapid fire questions. It's fast paced, exciting. And if people want to reach out to me, they can again, go to the website, and there's a contact form, or they can

33:33
company as well. Yeah. So barback

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ba ba K at brilliant company.com. I'd be happy to answer their questions. You know, if we didn't get a chance to get to all

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of them today. And of course for anyone that that has patenting type questions. Friday's the Ask the patent professor, usually it's q&a. So next Friday. We'll be sending out a link and it will be in the inventors mastermind as well. So thank you for back. It's been a pleasure. And thank you guys for attending. Have a nice

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week, everyone. Thanks for joining us. Thank you, John. Yep,

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